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-={SNK}=- Xero
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Gonna just tackle all this stuff in 1 post...I feel like it all needs to be addressed, but afterwards things should run pretty smoothly. There's just a lot of stuff going on lately that is kinda killing playability, and I think we're losing players because of it.
First off...Lag. I have my rates set properly, and I have steady 2-3 choke walking around, and 10-20 choke whenever I'm in a fight of any kind. This shouldn't happen, especially with the computer and internet connection im running (brand new comp, awesome vid card, 10 meg cable internet). The choke issue happens no matter what is going on, but there are also additional issues when 16+ people join the server. At this point, it just lags to all hell...it feels like I left a torrent open to download or something, and it happens to everyone equally. I feel that this is most likely due to all the plugins we've got running at one time. WCS is an advanced enough mod that it should probably be run on its own...there are so many different skills/classes/levels/effects going on at one time, its bound to put stress on the server. When we add 5 or 6 additional plugins, that's probably where the issue is coming in. Some testing would obviously be required to narrow down what's going on, but I'd like to see the unnecessary ones removed anyway if not for the choke factor among other things. Day and Night can go as far as I'm concerned...everyone else that I've talked to (aside from Onslaught...sorry Onslaught  ) agrees...it seems like its a lot of trouble with not much of an upside. If it effected classes, like gave werewolves more power since they're obviously "night" oriented classes, then that'd be different. As it is, it sits there doing nothing (I can't even really tell a difference in the lightning on my screen whatsoever as I've got my brightness up very high) except play music obnoxiously.
Also...this lag was all really noticeable once the server reset. At that time, the accomplishment plugin was the main thing that was added. I didn't play enough before the reset to recall any times where we had 18+ people on the server, but if any of you did please try to remember if it lagged it as well. If not, then this plugin could be causing the issue, and I'm speculating here but could've had something to do with the XP resetting accidentally last night.
Secondly, I think the new level system needs to be moved back. The tomes/FY/upgrading kill experience changes were all positive in my opinion, but the level system is a huge huge setback. As it is now, I'm level 66. My classes are (pretty close) to the following:
Undead: level 23
Orc: level 8
Human: level 6
Night Elf: level 7
Titan: level 6
Eye Ra: level 8
White Mage: level 8
That's a rough guess on levels but its very very close. As you can see, I'm still about 10 levels away from getting to Fuujin, which is 75 total. Let's just say I distribute those levels equally between my lowest classes, since in theory they should be the easiest to level. That puts me close to level 9 or 10 across the board, and at level 23 for one class. From there, I have 25 points till Blood Mage. Even if I get my Fuujin to level 9 or so, theres still another 14 levels I've got to get before I can get to Blood mage, and all my classes are pretty well played. I think at this point levels are like 1200 XP to level. That's 24 kills, or the equivalent of 1 map for most people. If a map is 30 minutes long, then thats 7 hours it will take me to get to Blood mage. Once I'm there, I repeat that exact same process for 25 more levels, and so on and so forth until you hit the level where you get 2 classes at once. It really just seems like its stretched out the exp requirements a bit far, and instead of just encouraging people to play all their races a bit (i'd say up to level 8 or 10 is enough)...its forcing them to play races to level 15-20 to advance in the game. Actually, with this type of change, tomes costing 500 coins instead of 6k would've been a proper change  It kinda offset the purpose of raising the tome price, seeing as now its extremely slow for people to level without help. My vote is to return the levels to what they were set to before the reset, but I'd love to hear alternate solutions.
And Thirdly...epic/JohnnyBananas or whatever the fuck this kids name is? Huge bullshitter...he was ranked #1 in the server until I just overtook him with his 3.9 k/d ratio for the last 2 days. He pulls of miraculous headshot bullshit shots, then when you call him out or go spec or whatever and start watching, he can't hit the broad side of the barn. If he was that good, he'd do that amazing shit when people were watching. I don't have a conclusive demo or anything like that, but I think most of the admins have seen him on at some point in the last few days. IMO its just one fucking guy, and pretty much everyone wants him out, I vote to kick his ass out. Someone told me they played with him at other servers before and they've had this same issue with him, people non stop accusing him of hacking and he denies it, etc etc. Completely up to everyone else on this one, but that's where I stand.
I think that kinda covers everything I wanted to talk about...just a few things I've noticed lately that I think would really improve the playability of the server. WCS is "different" enough as it is that I don't think we need a lot of additional fancy plugins or whatever to jazz it up...custom races and stuff like that are really enough imo. Opinions are more than welcome.
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Last edited by -={SNK}=- Xero on Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:17 am; edited 1 time in total |
| Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:32 am |
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-={SNK}=- KikkoMan
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ya know onslaught... i dont wanna rub it in and say "i told u so".... but seriously u don't really need all those plugins... and yes the music is obnoxious... the day and night mod doesn't bother me since i dont really even notice that its on... basically its unnecessary. try to keep it simple since our server is getting bigger.
Lag is unbelievable... and yes it does feel like im downloading something... as im sure 15+ ppl would agree and say the samething on a map. tbh i have no idea where the lag is coming from, but i can assure u that it is necessary for a server clean up to take out unnecessary plugins.
as for the xp system at the moment... i like it... i wouldn't mind going back to how it was though.
as for that epic bitch... i say be gone.
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| Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:59 am |
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Omg
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i pretty much agree with everything xero is talking about , you know my take on day night sence day one of it being on the server,
if you refer to what i said about the lvling system before in the update post, lvling needs to be more challengeing but not by making it harder to get to races but by making it take longer to max a race out.
As for john mullins, word was he got banned from exclusive for hacking and everyone says he hacks and i havent seen it, he thinks cuz ive played with him before that im not gonna do somthing about it and i will.
Ive seen him do shady shit before but ntohing obvious, id say ban him. i used to play with him on other servers and he wasnt very good at all then he magicly became amazeing - hes not a friend of mine and i wont cry if hes gone.
Plugins - like ive said many times, some of this shit is just unnessicary and ive gotten a defensive responce each time with a comparison to other plugins and why they are nt needed but we keep them.
Bottom line is wcs on its own is stressful for the server with all the skins and effects and people useing abilitys and items and yadda yadda , the point is , we dont need alot to keep people on our server and happy.
We have enough regulars now that we dont have to impress anyone with our neat plugins that make our server different.
thats all from me, keep raping children.
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| Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:21 am |
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={SNK}= Vulcan
SNK Admin
Joined: 22 Jul 2008
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dont get me wrong the pluggins are kewl but dude i cant have one decent fight with some guy warping 10 ft right in front of me for a hs. I think it maybe a good time to go back to the basics and relieve the stress on the server. Id rather take stuff off and play it safe. Dont want the server to crash again wiping away our XP. Remember, this also happened back at 1.6 where the server would crash wiping away all the gains from the map played on. Remembering the high frequency of that happening id rather not see that in Source
Epic can go fuck himself ill spare u the search
"epic// 419:59" STEAM_0:0:15801713 17:41 78 0
Ban his ass
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| Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:29 am |
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-{SNK}- 88
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I agree with all these guys. If the server had a problem after a reset and crashed and corrupted people's xp, then something needs to change before it happens again. If it happens again, many people will leave the server because then they think it will just happen again and again. The problem should be solved before that happens. Day/Night doesn't need to be on if it craps things up and I don't even see anyone check the achievements. It sounds like a pretty cool thing, but in actuality is kinda useless. And Onslaught said he wanted to add medals to the forum based on those achievements, but that is just a lot more work for Onslaught because he has to manually post them for people because it is not automatic.
As far as epic/JohnMullins, Omg and I have both played with him before for a long time and no one likes him because they all think he hacks. You guys have gotten rid of other people before because they are just being homos, and this is just another case.
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| Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:42 am |
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-={SNK}=- KikkoMan
SNK Strike Team
Joined: 04 Feb 2007
Posts: 4169
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im sure were not the only ppl that have this on our minds... i heard at least 5 ppl today saying there ganna come back to the server when server gets fixed... i mean we get the server rolling with a reset, then this shit. its gotten to the point where i played deathrun even though i wanted to lvl so bad... lag is horrific. i know slaught wont like this, but when ppl say "its what the customers wants" usually the customer is an other way of saying "3rd person view"... and trust me... i know for sure that were not wrong. and to be honest i haven't heard a person say they like any of these plugins.
another thing i like to see is a good map rotation... server goes to some shitty maps once in a while hence making an admin change it through the tedious mani menus. Map rotation needs to be solid and not some gay bullshit map no one has even heard of. Some good maps for example:
Dust
Dust2
Cbble(great map for wcs)
Inferno is pretty good
Office is great
Aztec is fun
Italy
etc...
but i see gay ass maps like:
Matrix
Box
and i dont know what anyone else thinks, but Russka isnt that great... and the fy maps need to go
But in the long run the server is ganna do great... just a little fluke that servers go through once in a while... just started 4 months ago... brand new and still getting new ppl everday... this isnt the worst thing that can happen... if the lag is bothering u then go to another server. And who knows, maybe NFO really does suck ass... go to another provider slaught.
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| Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:48 am |
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={SNK}= Vulcan
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For the map rotation like Kikko said
No Fy maps
Russka is whatever
all the rats rev and bedroom bullshit needs to go along with any maps that make the game into a fag fest with crit nades into spawn
new maps like the new Office would be good even though im not a fan. Still can be alot of fun
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| Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:42 am |
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-={SNK}=- KikkoMan
SNK Strike Team
Joined: 04 Feb 2007
Posts: 4169
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yeah that bedroom map should be gone..... also "de_rat" look-a-like maps needs to go... garden is gay... box is gay.... anything smaller than cs_estate should be gone.
and yes that office map is gay as hell... stick with regular office.
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| COCO wrote: | | Please don't be cynical. I hate cynicism. It's my least favorite quality. It doesn't lead anywhere. Nobody in life gets exactly what they thought they were going to get, but if you work really hard and you're kind, amazing things will happen. I'm telling you, amazing things will happen. I'm telling you. It's just true. |
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| Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:39 am |
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{SNK} skummi
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I've would really like to see both night/day plug gone and that ass map matrix cause only times I've played it was with like 3-4 playerson each teams and thats just to few to play that map.....
But as for the newest plug-in I LIKE IT SO MUCH YEA!
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| Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:07 pm |
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Omg
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For maps , i like alot of the new DE maps contra season mill even russka somtimes.
Fy maps i change pretty instantly when it goes to them on the server and im in it, they are completely retarded and the same goes for rats/bedroom maps.
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| Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:23 pm |
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